Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/22/1997 03:30 PM Senate STA

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       SJR 28 FED AUDIT OF NATIVE REGIONAL CORPORATIONS                       
                                                                              
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN LYDA GREEN  called the Senate State Affairs Committee                
 meeting to order at 3:30 p.m.  Present were Senators Miller, Ward,            
 Mackie and Green.  Chair Green announced the first order of                   
 business was SJR 28 and due to the large number of people wishing             
 to testify, she would take teleconference testimony in a rotating             
 fashion after the sponsor explains the resolution.  She noted SJR
 28 would also be heard before the Senate State Affairs Committee on           
 Thursday.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR RICK HALFORD , sponsor of SJR 28, explained the measure as           
 follows.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SJR 28 is not about subsistence; subsistence is an inalienable                
 right and the State is certainly engaged in a dispute with the                
 federal government on subsistence management of that right, but               
 subsistence is not the topic.  SJR 28 is not about sovereignty                
 either.  Sovereignty is something that we all want as individuals,            
 as communities, and every way we can get it, but it is not the                
 topic of this resolution.  SJR 28 deals specifically with the                 
 corporations and the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA).             
 The resolution is important because as we have an obligation to               
 non-Native Alaskans to defend the equality provisions in the State            
 constitution, we also have an obligation to Native Alaskans to                
 defend the provisions of ANCSA upon which all of those equality               
 provisions are based because if ANCSA is not successful, then those           
 equality provisions are in question.                                          
                                                                               
 Corporations did not have aboriginal rights: people did.  We need             
 to make sure that that system works.  It is in the State's                    
 interest. In the formulation of ANCSA, there were three entities at           
 the table: the Alaska Native interests, the federal government                
 interest, and the State interest.  All represented, to varying                
 degrees, sovereign points of view and principles.  The State of               
 Alaska put one-half billion dollars into the Alaska Native fund for           
 Alaska Native people.  The State of Alaska backed away from land              
 selections under the Statehood Act so that land could be selected             
 for Alaska Natives.  The State of Alaska backed away from land and            
 mineral rights as well.  We are responsible, in part, for the                 
 future of ANCSA, and yet what do we have?  We have the highest                
 rates of poverty, suicide, birth defects, violence and                        
 incarceration twenty-five years later.                                        
                                                                               
 It is time to audit the Claims Act in multi-year, forensic audits             
 of the corporations, to find out what is going on.  People will say           
 that audits are already being conducted: those audits are done by             
 private corporations and paid for by the very corporations being              
 audited.  The results of a complete federal or state audit are                
 unknown, but at the very least, Native corporate shareholders, who            
 cannot sell their shares, need more protection than the                       
 stockholders of Ford or General Motors.   Second, any audit should            
 concentrate on what is happening to the land because that was the             
 greatest concern at the time of ANCSA, and remains the greatest               
 concern of individual Alaska Natives today.  Corporations never had           
 aboriginal rights; they were to be a multi-generational entity to             
 carry forward for future generations.  If they do not protect the             
 land, it will not be protected.                                               
                                                                               
  JOHN HAVELOCK  stated he served as co-chair of the Lowell Thomas Jr.         
 Supporters of the Settlement in 1969 and as attorney general of               
 Alaska during the final year of ANCSA negotiation and the first two           
 years of its implementation.  He agreed with Senator Halford's                
 historical summary of the origin of ANCSA and the three-entities'             
 development and responsibility for it.   Mr. Havelock believes it             
 took courage to introduce SJR 28 as it has opened the door for an             
 initial inquiry.  Some particularly entrenched interests vehemently           
 oppose any public scrutiny of the workings of ANCSA, as it may                
 affect them.  In addition, many persons who might actually benefit            
 from a ray of sunshine on Native corporation operations are                   
 concerned for fear of the unknown.                                            
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock noted many Native corporations have survived and                 
 succeeded as the result of the dedication, hard work and                      
 selflessness of hundreds of Alaska Native leaders whose names are             
 often unsung and have worked without, or for minimum, compensation            
 on the affairs of their corporations.  The great majority of the              
 people who have administered ANCSA are honest, dedicated people,              
 but there may be some who are blissfully unaware of what is going             
 on in someone else's backyard.  These folks need assurance that               
 neither this committee, nor the people of Alaska, are out to do               
 them harm.  On the contrary, an evaluation and assessment of                  
 critical features of ANCSA, 25 years later, will help to put ANCSA            
 on a fresh footing for the 21st Century.                                      
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock emphasized that tribal organizations, which bear a               
 closer relation to the sovereignty of Indians recognized in the               
 U.S. Constitution, have often been more responsive to the                     
 sentiments of the rank and file than the ANCSA corporations, and it           
 is important for us to discover why.  The sovereignty claims,                 
 upheld by the Ninth Circuit Court in the Venetie case, are not very           
 important in the long run of the ANCSA framework in that Venetie              
 was one of the opt-out villages that chose not to be an ANCSA                 
 corporation.  The broad sovereignty implications of the Venetie               
 case are not going to blanket the State.  The evolution of the                
 ANCSA corporations will have far greater impact on most Alaska                
 Natives than any consequences of the Venetie case.                            
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock said ANCSA is a public act that fulfills a                       
 constitutional obligation of the United States and the State of               
 Alaska.  Accordingly, the idea that these matters are private, or             
 even that they are exclusively federal, is not supported by the               
 history of the Act.  He suggested seeking a joint federal-state               
 evaluation and assessment of ANCSA, since all three sovereigns                
 involved have oversight responsibility.                                       
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock advised that the setting for the adoption of the Act,            
 with respect to public sentiment at the time regarding corporations           
 in general, in the late 1960's and early 1970's, was a time of talk           
 of great corporate democracy.  The term was advanced in favorable             
 comparison to political democracy.  It was a time when there were             
 great hopes that corporate America would be responsive to the                 
 people through the addition of millions of small shareholders who             
 would elect publically dedicated individuals to be directors.  The            
 CEOs of major corporations made regular speeches to this effect.              
 It was a critical error, receptive to thinking the business                   
 corporation could do all things and be all things for all people.             
 This was a time before the Millikens, it was a time before the                
 savings and loan debacle when free-wheeling managers showed us how            
 unresponsive corporations could be to shareholders.  It was before            
 the multi-billion dollar banking collapse that followed the savings           
 and loan collapse.  It was a time before junk bonds and leveraged             
 buy-outs and asset sell-offs and the calculated downsize.  Now, in            
 contrast to the confident assessment of the early 1970's, it is               
 acknowledged that the only real influence that the small                      
 shareholder can have on corporation policy is to sell one's stock.            
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock explained it was in this early corporate democracy               
 setting that ANCSA was adopted giving the role to Alaska's business           
 corporations that is so central to the Act's purposes.  Under the             
 circumstances, it is surprising how well it has worked.  There are            
 clearly some problems and major concerns, in particular what has,             
 and could, happen to the land base of the settlement which was to             
 last from generation to generation.  He expressed concern that the            
 Act better fulfill its promise of declaration of policy, and that             
 there be maximum participation by Natives in decisions affecting              
 their rights to property and that ANCSA be administered in                    
 conformity with the real economic and social needs of Alaska                  
 Natives.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Mr. Havelock concluded by saying the best interest of Alaska                  
 Natives will be best served by conducting an evaluation assessment            
 of the performance of the corporate stewards to ANCSA.  Mr.                   
 Havelock disclosed that he was asked, on the previous day, to                 
 represent Mr. Bob Rude and Mr. Rudolph in a lawsuit recently filed            
 by the managers of CIRI, and which was served first on Channel 2              
 News.  He stated his decision to represent those clients has not              
 altered his testimony before the committee today.                             
                                                                               
 Number 240                                                                    
                                                                               
  EMIL NOTTI , a CIRI board member, former president and board member          
 of Doyon, Ltd., and the first president of the Alaska Federation of           
 Natives (AFN), testified in favor of SJR 28 and suggested that the            
 state and federal government conduct a joint audit to determine why           
 there is so much shareholder unrest.  Although the regional                   
 corporations are audited each year by private auditors, those                 
 audits only have to comply with SEC format rules as far as the                
 asset, liability and equity portions are concerned; the content of            
 the numbers is not regulated.  Mr. Notti believed for that reason             
 alone, a federal audit is warranted.                                          
                                                                               
 Mr. Notti commented on the regional corporation election process              
 because it is an area of recurring complaint among shareholders.              
 Compared to individuals, the corporations have unlimited resources            
 to elect their board slate.  Individuals cannot challenge the                 
 corporations in any effective way.  According to the election laws,           
 the corporations always win on a second ballot if all directors are           
 not elected on the first ballot.  When that happens, people who               
 would not normally get elected, who are low vote getters, get                 
 placed on the board of directors by the corporations, usually                 
 because they follow the dictates of the management.  All board                
 members are not treated equally; it is common knowledge that only             
 the ruling faction gets committee assignments.  Committee                     
 assignments are where board members make extra board fees which are           
 a significant part of a board member's compensation.  Most                    
 disturbing of all is that several board members are unable to get             
 information from the corporations, and need that information to               
 carry out their responsibilities.  Last, name calling is occurring,           
 and anyone who disagrees with a corporation is labelled a                     
 dissident, racist, etc. and information is leaked to the press to             
 make those who oppose current policies look bad.                              
                                                                               
 Number 291                                                                    
                                                                               
  ROBERT RUDE  testified in support of SJR 28 and commented its                
 introduction was a courageous action.  Regional corporation                   
 shareholders have no protections; they are exempt from SEC.  The              
 Interior Department views them as shareholders who do not fall                
 under the Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968.  State regulations do              
 not provide necessary protections either.  For example, there was             
 an NOL issue that arose in 1994 at a special meeting.  The CIRI               
 Board of Directors called a meeting and within 20 days, without               
 notifying the group that collected the petitions, the resolution              
 presented by the people was modified.  CIRI chose Veterans Day as             
 the deadline for proxy submittal which disenfranchised 525                    
 shareholders.  When contacted, the State securities office said it            
 did not have the authority to require those proxies to be counted.            
 Every time a shareholder runs for a seat on the board of directors            
 the corporation spends thousands of dollars campaigning against the           
 shareholder.  Last year, CIRI spent $41,000 on a media campaign               
 against himself and Mr. Rudolph.  Mr. Rude said in addition to the            
 audit requested in SJR 28, he would like to see regulations enacted           
 to protect and give shareholders equal opportunity to run for board           
 of director seats.                                                            
                                                                               
  RON BARNES , representing the Tunik (ph) Traditional Elders Council,         
 said he initiated, along with other councils and individuals, the             
 [indisc.] Alaskan [indisc.] Tribunal.  His concern with regard to             
 ANCSA is the need to develop a viable political relationship with             
 the indigenous peoples of Alaska.  In order to acknowledge the                
 principle of trust, the State of Alaska must acknowledge the                  
 indigenous peoples' right to self-determination.  The audit must              
 encompass a thorough investigation of the steps which lead to                 
 Statehood, and the formation of ANCSA.  The first step is to review           
 the history which recognized that the indigenous people of Alaska             
 are to be respected as peoples and sovereigns among the law of                
 nations.  This status confirms that the indigenous people have                
 possession and absolute title over the territory of Alaska.  This             
 status includes a right to govern their territory without any                 
 interference by other peoples.  These events in history recognize             
 that the Alaska Natives are sovereign people and continue to hold             
 possession of Alaska.  Section 57 of an edict by the Czar of                  
 Russia, dated September 13, 1821, mandated the establishment of               
 factories in some places on the American continent in order to                
 secure commerce, and to do so only after having acquired the                  
 consent of the Natives.  It also requires everything be done to               
 maintain those arrangements and avoid anything that might create              
 the suspicion that Russia intended to deprive the Natives of their            
 independence.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Barnes discussed other historical events in 1824, 1867, 1923              
 and 1946 that established Alaska Native land possession and the               
 right to self determination. The State of Alaska and the U.S.                 
 government must address one single issue: the right of self                   
 determination to the indigenous peoples of Alaska.  He supports SJR
 28 as the first step taken to recognize the rights of indigenous              
 peoples of Alaska.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 378                                                                    
                                                                               
  JOEL BLATCHFORD , a CIRI shareholder, said he recently registered            
 with his village in Elim.  He will not get any land from his                  
 village corporation, and although all CIRI shareholders were                  
 supposed to receive land when ANCSA passed, none have.  CIRI trades           
 land without any say from the shareholders, and uses shareholders'            
 votes as it sees fit.  Mr. Blatchford expressed dismay with the               
 election process and said he no longer signs their proxies.                   
 Shareholders are also unable to hunt on corporation land.  The                
 intent of ANCSA was that shareholders would have a say in their               
 corporate activities; that does not happen.                                   
                                                                               
  RALPH PERDUE , President Emeritus of the Fairbanks Native                    
 Association, past President of the Tanana Chiefs Council, and a               
 member of the Traditional Chiefs of the Fairbanks area who filed              
 the Native land claims, said that ANCSA has not solved anything.              
 He stated support for SJR 28.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 421                                                                    
  MARYANN MILL  testified in support of SJR 28 in light of the poor            
 options CIRI is presenting to its stockholders.  She made the                 
 following comments.  ANCSA was contrived by big oil industry and              
 governments that were foreign to indigenous people through the                
 perversion of truth.  ANCSA was accomplished without the consent of           
 indigenous peoples.  Such documents can be found in the Village               
 Journey, documented and recorded by the Honorable Thomas Burger and           
 in the Alaska Native Commission Report in the Senate Select                   
 Committee on Indian Affairs.  She supports a full investigation               
 into the legal status of the holders enumerated in Document #162,             
 Alaska Boundaries Tribunal, filed in the 58th Congress.  The crisis           
 Native peoples are facing today were explained by Rudy Riser [ph],            
 a professor with the Centers for the World of Indigenous Studies              
 who spoke at the Sovereign Alaskan Indigenous Nations Tribunal last           
 month.  Mr. Riser stated that without a land base an ethnic group             
 no longer exists.  Brian Effer [ph] who is presently working on the           
 Middle East peace accords also lectured at the Tribunal.  He                  
 stated, with regard to the Law of Humanity, to extinguish an ethnic           
 group's rights, such as in Section 4(b) of ANCSA, is to deny a                
 people's right to exist and is considered a declaration of war.  In           
 a letter dated April 14, 1997 to the Alaska Legislature, the                  
 President and CEO for CIRI wrote of CIRI's wonderful net profits              
 and how its shareholders enjoy shareholder equity in excess of                
 millions of dollars.  In reality the only ones benefitting                    
 financially are CEOs, management, and the board of directors.  As             
 net profits increase, bonuses and salaries increase while dividends           
 remain the same.  CIRI is donating millions of dollars to non-                
 profit agencies.  ANCSA corporations were established for profit              
 for the shareholders.  A more detailed financial reporting system             
 is necessary if shareholders are to understand their corporate                
 business.  Shareholder participation committees have been formed to           
 provide information, however CIRI would not allow shareholders to             
 vote or have a voice in who would sit on the committees.  The CIRI            
 board makes it very difficult for independent shareholders to run             
 for the board of directors.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 466                                                                    
                                                                               
  PETE SCHAEFER  stated he has mixed feelings about whether to support         
 SJR 28, mostly because he is a former member of a regional                    
 corporation.  He expressed concern that SJR 28 may be another means           
 to make life more difficult for the Governor.  He said we have to             
 remember that tribal and corporate members are, for the most part,            
 one and the same.  There is controversy within the Native community           
 over whether the regional corporations are doing what they were               
 mandated to do, to make the transition from tribal life to a purely           
 economic pursuit.                                                             
                                                                               
  HAL ENGLESTAD  testified from Mat-Su in support of SJR 28.  Sealaska         
 has mismanaged funds, lands and the corporation.  He criticized               
 donations to political groups made by Sealaska.                               
                                                                               
 Number 506                                                                    
                                                                               
   CHAIR GREEN  noted Senators Duncan, Miller, Ward, Mackie, and Green         
 were present.                                                                 
                                                                               
 GEORGE JAMES  testified via teleconference from Seattle in support            
 of SJR 28.  Sealaska elections are rigged to benefit the                      
 corporation and shareholders cannot challenge the system.  He                 
 requested that audits be done of all subsidiaries of regional                 
 corporations.                                                                 
                                                                               
  FRANKLIN JAMES , an at-large shareholder, also testified via                 
 teleconference from Seattle in favor of SJR 28.  He agrees that all           
 Native corporations should be audited and criticized village                  
 corporation timber sale methods.                                              
                                                                               
  ALYSSA LOUIS WEBER , an at-large shareholder from Seattle, testified         
 in support of SJR 28.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 556                                                                    
                                                                               
  WALTER BRADLEY , another shareholder from Region 13, testified in            
 support of SJR 28.  Shareholders had no choice in which corporation           
 they were placed, and need a voice in their corporation's policies.           
                                                                               
  ROBERT STOKES  testified from Seattle in favor of SJR 28 and agreed          
 with all previous testimony regarding Sealaska.                               
                                                                               
 Number 574                                                                    
                                                                               
  KATHY POLK , a shareholder of Goldbelt and Sealaska, testified in            
 favor of SJR 28 and made the following comments.  It is time the              
 officials of the State of Alaska and the United States government             
 listen to the cries of Alaska Natives.  Alaska Natives were given             
 a portion of lands that belonged to their grandparents.  ANCSA was            
 fought for by many Alaska Natives who pooled their money together.            
 Many elders who fought for ANCSA did not even have the opportunity            
 to become shareholders of Native corporations.  ANCSA was meant for           
 all shareholders, not a few leaders who took control of corporation           
 money.  These leaders do whatever it takes to keep the shareholders           
 at arm's length from the wealth of the corporation.  The                      
 corporation leaders choose and endorse their candidates by using              
 discretionary votes that they are legally allowed to do to keep               
 themselves in power.                                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE 97-21, SIDE B                                                           
                                                                               
 MS. POLK said that many of Board of Director members are the                  
 original members elected when the corporations were formed.  If a             
 board candidate withdraws his or her name from a proxy vote, those            
 votes become discretionary at the annual meeting which empowers the           
 board slate.  The votes are given to the candidate the corporate              
 proxy holder wants.  The corporate proxy holders consist of board             
 directors who can find out from the inspector of elections how many           
 votes every person has that is on the corporation's proxy.  The               
 independent candidates who try to get elected to the board of                 
 directors has a poor chance because of the discretionary privileges           
 that are allowed by the corporations.                                         
                                                                               
 Ms. Polk asked who made the laws that caused this corruption: the             
 salaries, the bonuses, and benefits received by both the board of             
 directors and upper management.  Shareholder monies are used                  
 against them by corporations in many tricky ways: corporations use            
 intimidation, expensive lawyers, old shareholder address lists,               
 etc.  Sealaska has been shown to be one of the most successful                
 corporations in Fortune Magazine yet it has many poor shareholders            
 who struggle to make ends meet.  She strongly supports SJR 28.                
                                                                               
 Number 565                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. MICHAEL PATERSON , Sealaska and Goldbelt shareholder, said he            
 didn't know much about politics, but he knows that in 1971 when               
 ANCSA passed, Alaska Natives were told to wait 20 years and their             
 land and money would be worth a lot more.  It is 20 years later and           
 now it is locked up.  Before the white people came the Natives were           
 proud and happy, but because alcohol was brought, it destroyed the            
 lives of their parents and their children.  Because of alcohol they           
 live on welfare and don't have jobs or job histories, rental                  
 histories, or credit histories.                                               
                                                                               
 He said he is a single parent with one daughter and he wants to               
 leave her something.  He doesn't want her to have to struggle with            
 the poverty he has lived with all his life.  He thought it was a              
 travesty that Native people were given hope, only at the end of 20            
 years to have it snatched away.  Those at the top of the corporate            
 ladder get full retirement benefits after five years of service;              
 they have set themselves up like gods.  In order for him to                   
 benefit, he would have to be a corporate board member, which is               
 impossible.   In conclusion, Mr. Paterson said he strongly supports           
 SJR 28 and now has a little bit of hope.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 510                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. JOAN D'ANGELI,  representing her grandmother's Athabascan tribe,         
 related how her grandmother taught her about her grief.  About                
 6,000 of the 15,000 Sealaska shareholders were not given any                  
 village.  Their whole Native status included her full Native                  
 status, is tied up in Sealaska.  She provided the committee                   
 evidence of the lack of corporate accountability to Alaska Natives,           
                                                                               
 Ms. D'Angeli stated that according to copies of records of an                 
 exchange between Senators Aspenal and Morton during the ANCSA                 
 debate, the 40 million acres was originally intended to provide the           
 subsistence required by the Natives themselves.                               
 Ms. D'Angeli said that land has not been distributed to the Natives           
 the way it was originally intended and that she ran for the Board             
 in 1987 but can't even tell how many votes she got because the                
 system is so complicated.  The way the money is flowing is out of             
 control.  She said a copy of Sealaska's financial report states               
 that all ANCSA assets are at a $0 value so she does not even know             
 the actual amount of her share.  She noted that in 1988 AFN signed            
 a bill barring the sale of stocks for 20 years.  She left the                 
 committee with papers to study that reflect accountability                    
 problems.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 412                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. TIM ACKERMAN    said he has been writing letters for about seven         
 years concerning the corporate structure and its effect on Alaska             
 Natives.  The State of Alaska has spent millions of dollars                   
 providing welfare benefits for Alaska Natives which shows that the            
 ANCSA is not providing for the social and economic well being of              
 Alaska Natives.                                                               
                                                                               
 He said the average Native shareholder cannot afford justice.  They           
 do not have a million dollars to throw at a recall effort.  The               
 corporations have completely divided Native people through their              
 voting procedures, etc.                                                       
                                                                               
  MS. DELICE CALCOTE  supported SJR 28 and said she is an at-large             
 stockholder of CIRI.  She cited an account that showed that CIRI              
 had received approximately $120 million and $30 million went back             
 to the IRS.  CIRI's minutes showed that an NOL payment to the                 
 shareholders was $8,300 and totalled $44 million.  She asked what             
 the corporation did with the other $46 million and how much was               
 given to CIRI's board and management in bonuses.  She questioned              
 why profit-sharing is offered to employees when quarterly                     
 distributions have not changed substantially.  She said that all              
 at-large people are not a tribe and those who are on needs-based              
 programs are the elderly, mentally and physically impaired, etc.              
                                                                               
  MS. MARTHA BRADLEY,  Region 13 Corporation member, agreed with               
 previous speakers.  She thought the original intent of the ANCSA              
 money was to take care of children, education, and to help those              
 Natives who needed help.  She fully supports SJR 28 and asked how             
 far back the audit would go.  She thought shareholders should have            
 an equal opportunity to get elected to corporation boards.                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR HALFORD  answered his intent is to have the audits go back           
 to 1971.                                                                      
                                                                               
  MS. ELLA RING,  CIRI shareholder, asked for a moment of prayer for           
 Dolly Turner.  She wanted to know what Roy [indisc] since 1985                
 until now.  She supported the audit thoroughly.                               
                                                                               
 Number 305                                                                    
  MR. WILLIAM FRANCE  said he is one of three shareholders in his              
 household and that from 1988-1992 only two out of three dividends             
 arrived in the mail.  He asked Roy Hudolf about it and the problem            
 was blamed on the mail service.  He supports SJR 28 very much.                
                                                                               
  MS. SUSAN WELLS , CIRI and Kenai Native Association (KNA), said she          
 supports SJR 28 but does not think it is as encompassing as it                
 should be.  It is imperative that the village and at-large                    
 corporations be included in the audit process - not only for                  
 accountability reasons, but to review the articles of                         
 incorporation, bylaws, and resolutions their board has passed.  She           
 asked that they find out who really manages the business affairs of           
 their corporation.  She thought an audit would find that a majority           
 of the corporations are not in compliance with the purpose and                
 intent of ANCSA or with state corporate laws.                                 
                                                                               
  MS. LORETTA WALLEN  noted she submitted written testimony but added          
 that some of the NOLs for some of the corporations are gone.  Her             
 main concern is what is left of her people's land.  She did not               
 think Native people are concerned with new cars and houses; they              
 want the land back to they can continue to teach their children the           
 way of life their parents have taught them.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 144                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. THOMAS TILDEN  opposed SJR 28 because he does not know what              
 would be done with information uncovered by an audit.  The State              
 has $490 million tied up in the corporations and should do its own            
 audit.  His biggest concern is with the land, and he questioned               
 what would replace the corporations once an audit is completed.               
                                                                               
  SENATOR HALFORD  said he thought the audits should come from three           
 different directions: SJR 28 is only one part, and requires a                 
 federal audit.  He believes there should be a State audit, which              
 the Governor opposes; and a legislative audit.  He also stated the            
 need to review and revise State corporate law, to ensure that                 
 shareholders who own stock in a corporation that they cannot sell,            
 are adequately protected.  Senator Halford also thought ANCSA                 
 itself should be reviewed.  The relationship between village and              
 regional corporations needs to be reassessed as well as where                 
 people were originally allowed to enroll.                                     
                                                                               
  MR. TILDEN  thought that the subsistence issue should be part of the         
 audit also.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR HALFORD  said he believes subsistence is an inalienable              
 right and that issue is about how that right is implemented in                
 State and federal law.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 34                                                                     
                                                                               
  MR. MAXIM DOLCHOK  supported SJR 28, but expressed concerned that            
 historically, the State has not been an "impartial opponent."  If             
 SJR 28 is to be effective, the audit needs to be reviewed by an               
 impartial body.                                                               
                                                                               
  TAPE 97-22, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
  PAT SIERRA , testified in support of SJR 28 and made the following           
 comments.  ANCSA was enacted to achieve a fair and just settlement            
 with maximum participation by Natives in decisions affecting their            
 rights and property.  At Sealaska, shareholders do not have any               
 rights in any decisions affecting them.  The corporation ignores              
 shareholders' concerns and ideas, seldom answers questions, and               
 totally ignores them until an election to the board of directors              
 occurs.  She said many of the elections were tainted with forged              
 proxies, but the Division of Banking & Securities always sides with           
 Sealask by stating the number of forged proxies would not have                
 changed the outcome of the election.  Ms. Sierra said she would               
 like to see audits done on individual directors and managers who              
 receive retirement plans, huge board fees, life insurance policies,           
 car maintenance, bonuses, etc., while shareholders get a few crumbs           
 that Sealaska announces in the newspapers as dividends.  She noted            
 in 1990 there was an FDIC lawsuit involving a then director and               
 former director which was settled out of court.  It was rumored               
 that it might cost the corporation $30 million, but shareholders              
 have never been told how much the corporation settled for.                    
                                                                               
 Number 125                                                                    
                                                                               
  ROSEMARY MESSENGER , a CIRI shareholder testifying from the Mat-Su           
 LIO, voiced her support for SJR 28 so that audits will be conducted           
 on Alaska Native regional corporations, especially CIRI.                      
                                                                               
 Number 139                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHIEF GARY HARRISON , testifying from the Mat-Su LIO in support of           
 SJR 28, said in 1971, when he was in the seventh grade, he was told           
 to join the land claims because he would get lots of money and                
 land.  Now he has children in the seventh grade, and he wonders               
 what will be left for them.  Many attorneys, accountants, and                 
 people in management have made their fortunes from ANCSA and have             
 retired, while the shareholders have received very little.  If                
 their shares were deposited in a bank account, they would earn six            
 times the money.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 164                                                                    
                                                                               
  JULIE GONZALES  of Juneau, speaking on behalf of her mother and              
 brother in support of SJR 28, said that in 1971 her mother was told           
 that when she got older she would be able to get a lot of land and            
 money, but she never received the money promised to her and was               
 forced to raise her family on welfare.  It is her mother's hope               
 that when she passes on, her grandchildren will benefit from her              
 corporation.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 184                                                                    
                                                                               
  ARNELLA HORSFORD,  a Sealaska shareholder living in Juneau, said she         
 attends a tourism industry program, and has learned self respect              
 through this program.  She thinks that somewhere along the line the           
 corporation lost respect for its shareholders because they are                
 being given very little.  She has spent four years on welfare and             
 is trying to get off of it.  She does not want her children growing           
 up the same way she did so she is taking advantage of everything              
 that her corporation has to offer to give them a better life.                 
                                                                               
 Number 214                                                                    
                                                                               
  JAMES SHOWALTER , a member of CIRI and KNA, said SJR 28 should               
 include audits of village corporations because the financial status           
 of the corporation has declined over the years and the corporation            
 is not providing an economic foundation for its shareholders.  He             
 noted KNA has been selling some of its land, and he believes the              
 monies received from the sale of these properties will be                     
 squandered, as other monies have been.  He said their ANCSA has not           
 benefited them, and they must be audited.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 251                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR HALFORD  clarified the resolution requests a federal audit,          
 but he thinks in the process between state and federal audits,                
 village corporations can be included, particularly in cases where             
 the shareholders of a corporation request an audit.                           
                                                                               
 Number 260                                                                    
                                                                               
  BRIAN RICHARDSON,  testifying in Juneau, stated he is 100 percent            
 behind a federal audit, as well as a state audit.  He is of the               
 opinion that the Native corporations have been crooked and have not           
 served the Native people.  He said that Alaska was not owned by               
 Russia and it did not have the right to sell it to anyone.  The               
 Native people fought and drove the Russians out of Alaska.  He also           
 believes that hunting rights and fishing rights should be given               
 back to the Native people.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 293                                                                    
                                                                               
  JENNIFER HARRISON , a resident of Palmer, stated that although she           
 is not an ANCSA shareholder, nor is she married to a ANCSA                    
 shareholder, she is a life-long Alaskan voter who supports SJR 28.            
 She said she sees the ANCSA corporations as a social experiment               
 that is failing.  She knows many aging Native elders that live                
 below poverty level and have an extremely difficult time receiving            
 the medical care they need.  She suggested the corporations plan              
 for their shareholders' futures by actively encouraging Alaska                
 Native high school seniors to attend college.  She believes young             
 people should not be excluded from participating in corporations              
 just because they were born after 1971, or because they are not at            
 least one-quarter Alaska Native.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 316                                                                    
                                                                               
  BERNADINE ATCHISON , a CIRI shareholder testifying from Kenai,               
 voiced her support for SJR 28 and said it is important to include             
 village and city corporations because they follow the same policies           
 as the regional corporations.  This was apparent in 1995 and 1996             
 when CIRI's attorney offered his assistance to the KNA Board of               
 Directors. The KNA settlement was, and is, a means of taking land             
 away from the indigenous people of Alaska.  In the last four years,           
 KNA has lost a substantial amount of money, with the greatest                 
 expense being attorney fees to negotiate the sale or exchange of              
 their land.  Instead of increasing the financial security of                  
 shareholders, their revenues go to outside interests and leave                
 shareholders in poverty.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 348                                                                    
                                                                               
  DELORES WHEATON  of Juneau, testifying in support of SJR 28, said it         
 is time for the corporations to open the doors, open their eyes and           
 look at the Natives' needs instead of putting them down.  She is              
 one of the many Natives that have trying to get off of welfare for            
 a long time.  She said the corporations have the right to give out            
 land and her people deserve it.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 376                                                                    
                                                                               
  DOROTHY ZURA  of Juneau said thousands of Alaska Natives have been           
 hurt by ANCSA, and it is because of problems between the board of             
 directors and management of these corporations.  Board members go             
 to meetings and make decisions for the people and then an executive           
 committee overrides those decisions.  Laws were implemented that              
 none of them ever understood and these laws need to be reversed,              
 the first one being to lift all of the laws against the peoples'              
 land.  She spoke of the need of her people to be educated and to              
 make a law to where they can govern themselves; to where the common           
 law says that they are equal shareholders and have the right to say           
 what they want.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 433                                                                    
                                                                               
  MARGARET OSBORNE  of Juneau expressed her appreciation to Senator            
 Halford for helping the shareholders regain their dignity.  Many of           
 her people have felt worthless and are not on equal ground with               
 even those who are living an average life.  At meetings the                   
 shareholders are put down and their questions go unanswered.  She             
 believes that the discretionary voting is harming the Native people           
 and should not be allowed.  Shareholders need the protection of               
 those who know something about corporate law.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 484                                                                    
                                                                               
  ADA PATTERSON , a Sealaska and Goldbelt shareholder living in                
 Juneau, said many shareholders are homeless and live below the                
 poverty level.  She pointed out that Klukwan, Inc. gives its                  
 shareholders $65,000 per year in dividends, while shareholders of             
 other corporations are lucky to receive $500 per year. Some                   
 shareholders, mainly village shareholders, received land; other               
 shareholders did not get any.  Goldbelt will not give its                     
 shareholders land, but its management receives many thousands of              
 dollars per year in salaries.  Management borrows millions of                 
 dollars for themselves and shareholders do not know if that money             
 is ever repaid.  Some directors go to Las Vegas every year for                
 board meetings using shareholders' money.  She advised that banking           
 specialists say that Sealaska's annual reports contain huge                   
 discrepancies.  She supports an audit and would like to see the               
 corporate criminals prosecuted.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 515                                                                    
                                                                               
  FRANKLIN WILLIAMS, SR. , a Sealaska shareholder testifying in Juneau         
 in support of SJR 28, stated the Sealaska Board of Directors does             
 not listen to the shareholders' concerns.  He said freedom and                
 democracy do not corrupt equal rights and justice, but for some               
 reason, Sealaska does not believe in this principle.  The people              
 are not recognized as members of this corporation.  He said the               
 discretionary voting is a fraud; they use the 300 shares of stock             
 belonging to the people who do not vote to elect their own slates.            
 He noted he has two grandchildren that were born after 1971, and              
 they don't see any way that they will see any benefit from ANCSA.             
 He also voiced his distress with the bonuses that management gives            
 to one another for performance when they are not performing                   
 according to the law of ANCSA.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 560                                                                    
                                                                               
  PAUL FROST  of Togiak said SJR 28 might be well intended, but he             
 doesn't see the resolution really getting to the heart of the                 
 problem.  When ANCSA was enacted, there were no options offered to            
 any of the Native people.  They said "If you want to give up your             
 land and your hunting and fishing rights, and forever give up your            
 rights to the resource, we'll give you these corporations and best            
 of luck to you, and we hope that they're successful."   This Act              
 was just passed on to them and they are supposed to make something            
 of it.  He believes that all traditional governments throughout the           
 state should own all of the resources and get all of the money made           
 from resource extraction, and that the regional corporations should           
 be used as business agents, not government representatives.   He              
 said ANCSA is dividing Native peoples and causing problems; the               
 solution is to have their own governments and ownership of the                
 resources taken off the land.                                                 
                                                                               
  TAPE 97-22, SIDE B                                                           
                                                                               
 Mr. Frost said that if the Native corporations choose to be a                 
 business entity, then that is how it can be.                                  
                                                                               
  SENATOR WARD  moved to place CSSJR 28(STA) before the committee for          
 consideration.  Without objection, it was so ordered.                         
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN  explained that before the Thursday meeting, the CS           
 will be distributed so that people can comment at Thursday's                  
 hearing when more testimony will be taken on this matter.  Chairman           
 Green reminded everyone of the two minute time limit for testimony.           
                                                                               
 Number 575                                                                    
                                                                               
  JAMMIE HARTLEY  supported SJR 28.  As a CIRI shareholder, Mr.                
 Hartley saw the need for an audit some time ago.  Mr. Hartley noted           
 that he had attempted to introduce an audit resolution at one of              
 the CIRI annual meetings, but it failed.  Mr. Hartley stressed that           
 he forced CIRI to provide minutes of board meetings and                       
 subcommittees per the Alaska Statute.  For three years, CIRI has              
 avoided implementing an accounting standard for ANCSA land.  Mr.              
 Hartley said that should fraudulent activity be discovered, there             
 should be a complete recall of the board, the guilty sent to prison           
 and stripped of the plundered money.                                          
                                                                               
  JUDITH KALTINS , CIRI shareholder, informed the committee that she           
 is a member of the Concerned Shareholders for CIRI as well as                 
 Sovereign Alaska Indigenous Nations Tribunal.  Ms. Kaltins supports           
 sovereignty and self determination for indigenous peoples of                  
 Alaska.  ANCSA is an act of genocide against the Alaska Native                
 people.  ANCSA laws state that shareholders in ANCSA corporations             
 have the right to maximum participation which has not been allowed            
 to date.  CIRI has done everything possible to stifle its                     
 shareholders, such as HB 251, known as the "shut-up bill."  CIRI              
 has announced it will do a partial audit, but she questioned how              
 one votes using partial information.  There should be a freeze                
 until the federal and state governments perform audits on the                 
 corporation.  Ms. Kaltins informed the committee that during a CIRI           
 option meeting in December, there was a statement that CIRI did not           
 object to a federal audit.  Now there is objection to the audit.              
 Ms. Kaltins supported a federal audit.                                        
                                                                               
  SHARON KAY  informed the committee that she is a CIRI shareholder,           
 a Concerned Shareholders for CIRI member, and Sovereign Alaska                
 Indigenous Nations Tribunal member.  Ms. Kay emphasized that she is           
 a Native activist in support of sovereignty, self-determination,              
 the smoking gun document on who owns Alaska, tribal self government           
 for indigenous people, and bringing forth the truth.  Ms. Kay                 
 supports SJR 28.  Alaska Native corporations were never filed under           
 SECs, therefore CIRI nor any other corporation is required to                 
 provide full disclosure of its activities.  This leaves the                   
 shareholders without any protection for their assets which, in CIRI           
 alone, could be over $1 billion.  Ms. Kay informed the committee              
 that CIRI had a Congressional bill passed, without shareholder                
 input, to buy back shareholder stock.  Why was CIRI the only Native           
 corporation to be bought out?  CIRI has now implemented a four                
 stock option plan to the shareholders to be voted on this July.               
 CIRI shareholders have never had full disclosure of the pros and              
 cons of each option.  Since the vote on the stock options will set            
 precedent for all Native corporations, Ms. Kay recommended that SJR
 28 include a freeze of all CIRI stock options until a full federal            
 investigative audit is completed.                                             
                                                                               
  JAMES GROTHA , CIRI shareholder, supports SJR 28 as it is merely one         
 small step to uncover what happened to the aboriginal land and                
 money.  This proposed audit must hold the past and present board of           
 directors, officers, and employees accountable for the continued              
 abuses against the aboriginal shareholders.  Mr. Grotha                       
 acknowledged that there are some good corporations and leaders in             
 these ANCSA corporations, for example the Arctic Slope.  CIRI does            
 not help its villages and does not appoint village people to its              
 subsidiaries or its commissions.  Why are the corporations not                
 fighting for the fish and game resources, water, and sewer?  Mr.              
 Grotha stated that the federal and state governments are poor                 
 trustees by not protecting Alaska Natives.  Section 2(b) of ANCSA             
 indicates that it will be without litigation, with maximum                    
 participation effecting the rights and property.  Mr. Grotha                  
 discussed some of the litigation in which CIRI was involved and               
 stated he does not recall voting for the 1991 legislation which               
 lifted stock restrictions.  CIRI made 22 by-law changes that were             
 never published for shareholders, nor were changes to its Articles            
 of Incorporation or land trade.  How questioned much money CIRI has           
 spent to pass HB 251?                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 509                                                                    
                                                                               
  HAROLD RUDOLPH , CIRI shareholder, informed the committee that he is         
 running for the CIRI Board of Directors and will be sending the               
 committee information regarding that election process.  He supports           
 SJR 28 and said many wonder why CIRI sues its owners, be they                 
 Native or not.  He welcomes the lawsuit because it will bring into            
 the open the concerns of many shareholders.  Mr. Rudolph said one             
 of his goals, if elected to the CIRI board, is to change current              
 policies to avoid the current situation.                                      
                                                                               
  DENNIS WILLARD  informed the committee that he would be reading              
 Carlton Smith's testimony.   CARLTON SMITH , shareholder of Native            
 Regional Corporation, said that Senator Halford's call for audits             
 is dividing the Native community and should not be considered by              
 the 20th Legislature.  The regional corporations have done audits             
 in strict compliance with 43 USC 1606 which also directs annual               
 audits of the books and accounts of a regional corporation "in                
 accordance with generally accepted accounting standards by                    
 independent public accountants and independent licensed public                
 accounts with detailed summaries of the annual audit to be                    
 transmitted to each shareholder."  Basic legislative history shows            
 that the regional corporations provided these audits to the                   
 Department of Interior beginning in 1971 until the requirements               
 were repealed by 1991 legislation and approved by Congress.  Where            
 was Senator Halford during that period of time?  During the audits            
 from 1971 to 1987, no known substantial changes were discovered to            
 support today's concerns.  Mr. Smith stated that neither the                  
 Department of Interior nor the Bureau of Indian Affairs uncovered             
 mismanagement of the use of staff in the audits.                              
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIR WARD  requested that Mr. Smith's written testimony be             
 forwarded to the committee.                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL CARPENTER , a non-Native, informed the committee that many           
 of his relatives belong to Salamatof Native Corporation and Kenai             
 Native Association.  Mr. Carpenter said that he had been involved             
 with the corporations since their inception.  Mr. Carpenter                   
 supports SJR 28 but cautioned that audits may not show any criminal           
 activity because the corporations have lawyers to avoid such.  The            
 audit will find that the corporations are morally wrong.  The                 
 Salamatof Native Corporation and the Kenai Native Association have            
 a lot in common, both sell land and other assets to pretend to be             
 viable corporations without giving money to the shareholders.  Both           
 corporations act like dictatorships.  The shareholders cannot use             
 the land because the corporation intends to sell it.                          
                                                                               
 Number 433                                                                    
                                                                               
  RUTH WILLARD , Sealaska and Kootznoowoo shareholder, informed the            
 committee that she is a former Kootznoowoo board member and                   
 currently serves as a trustee for the Kootznoowoo Corporation and             
 is a former executive council member of the Tlingit & Haida Central           
 Council.  She views SJR 28 as divisive for Native Alaskans.  Ms.              
 Willard noted the IRS did an intensive audit of Kootznoowoo, and an           
 even more intensive audit occurred when Kootznoowoo prepared to go            
 into its trust.  Kootznoowoo has one of the best trusts in Alaska.            
 Ms. Willard expressed concern with Senator Halford's use of his               
 position for such action.  The Native corporations have distributed           
 millions of dollars in Alaska through dividends, economic                     
 development, and employment.  Natives and non-Natives have                    
 benefitted from the corporations.  Ms. Willard asked if such a                
 resolution would be brought forth for Carrs or another non-Native             
 corporation.  She suggested that the resolution address all Alaskan           
 corporations not just Native corporations.                                    
                                                                               
  IRENE ROWAN , former chair of Klukwan Inc., opposed SJR 28 as                
 currently written.  Ms. Rowan expressed the need to clarify the               
 meaning of "audit."  The audits should include the 200 plus Native            
 corporations, not just the regional corporations.  Under Alaska               
 law, all state corporations are required to file reports with the             
 Department of Commerce.  Ms. Rowan suggested doing audits on all              
 corporations regardless of race, maybe in a random fashion.  Ms.              
 Rowan believes it is important to give village corporations further           
 assistance since the village corporations own the land that the               
 village site sits on or that surrounds the village.  If this land             
 is lost, more than just the corporation is lost.  Ms. Rowan                   
 encouraged the State to do a better job with education.  The                  
 corporations are spending thousands of shareholder dollars to do              
 what the school system should. The corporations are trying to teach           
 business and the rights of shareholders.  Ms. Rowan commented that            
 state agencies should be properly funded so that they can                     
 adequately carry out their functions.                                         
                                                                               
  VERNITA HERDMAN  informed the committee that she was a Tribal Member         
 of the Native Corporation of Unalakleet, CIRI shareholder, and                
 citizen of Alaska.  All those aspects of her carry rights and                 
 privileges of which she is unwilling to give up any.  Ms. Herdman             
 opposes SJR 28.  Based on previous testimony, she believes that               
 audits may be necessary; however, she questioned the involvement of           
 the Legislature.  Ms. Herdman noted that many board members have              
 served their communities faithfully and deserve praise for that.              
 Ms. Herdman believes SJR 28 places a red herring into the                     
 sovereignty debate.  Contrary to Senator Halford's sponsor                    
 statement, Alaska Natives were not "endowed with 44 million acres,"           
 but rather were allowed to keep one-tenth of ancestral land and               
 paid just under $1 billion for the nine-tenths of Alaska given to             
 the U.S.  That process went through Congress, therefore if audits             
 are to take place, Congress or Alaska Natives bear that                       
 responsibility.  The Legislature does not have any standing in this           
 debate.  ANCSA corporations were chartered as private for-profit              
 corporations which was the first mistake.  The fiduciary                      
 responsibilities to the shareholders made it inadvisable for the              
 profit corporations to attempt to address Native social needs.                
                                                                               
 Number 351                                                                    
                                                                               
  DIANE SHRADER , CIRI shareholder, supports SJR 28 and identified it          
 as the first step in dealing with the Native corporations and the             
 boards.  Ms. Shrader supported auditing the village corporations as           
 well. She said that the at-large shareholder is not being treated             
 fairly compared to their fellow village shareholders.                         
                                                                               
  LYNETTE MORENO HINZ,  Sealaska and Shee Atika shareholder, supports          
 SJR 28 because she knows of many financial abuses by corporate                
 leaders.                                                                      
                                                                               
  DAVID HARRISON  supports SJR 28.  He said the State of Alaska has            
 disregarded the indigenous people and corporate leaders have tried            
 to usurp the authority of the traditional villages which are the              
 legal and governing authority throughout all of Alaska, not the               
 State or federal government or corporations.  To correct the                  
 situation he suggested recognizing the authority of the traditional           
 government, grandmothers, chiefs, and spiritual leaders within                
 their nations.                                                                
                                                                               
  STEPHANIE THOMPSON , President of Alexander Creek Corporation,               
 supports SJR 28 and said that a review and audit of CIRI to provide           
 accountability to shareholders and especially to determine                    
 Alexander Creek's eligibility as a full blown village corporation             
 is long overdue.  Someone has to be accountable for ANCSA.                    
                                                                               
  KEN JACOBUS,  Anchorage attorney,   supports SJR 28 because he has           
 seen many Native individuals who have not been receiving the                  
 benefits they should under ANCSA.  Their rights need to be                    
 protected as opposed to the rights of the corporations.  This audit           
 is a first step.                                                              
                                                                               
  DAN ALEX , CIRI and Eklutna Inc. shareholder, strongly supports SJR
 28 as it is long overdue.  An audit will show that fraud and                  
 misrepresentation has occurred on a grand scale.                              
                                                                               
  SENATOR GREEN  announced that would conclude the teleconference and          
 testimony for today and adjourned the meeting at 6:28 p.m.                    

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